Once more, with feeling! I took the van in to Ab & Tom's again on Wednesday. Believe it or not, they found a rock wedged in between the subframe and the exhaust which seemed to be causing the roar and hum. They also noticed that the idler pulley and tensioner were really worn and noisy, which they were and have been for a while but I never took it in for that. They fixed those too, I figured I might should have that done since the problem this time just seemed to be a rock. So what's another $339.67 but less than another car payment, even if it is the third such payment in about 6 weeks..... Friday was game night at the Rodgers house. Alex was working and it was thunderstorming, so we had to leave a bit early to pick him up, but we joined the group (pretty well attended) for dinner (bake your own pizza) and some games. Beth and I played a round of Survive, the Escape from Atlantis game, before we had to excuse ourselves and go get Alex.....Saturday we all went to Fort Wayne to do some shopping for clothes for the kids. The girls are in dire need of girl things that I can't help them with and which aren't very good at the places in Warsaw, so we hit Penney's for them. And a decent jacket for Alex. We (mostly Beth) got them taken care of, then I headed to Mom's place for a visit. However she was asleep the whole time I was there. I sat in her room for over an hour but she never woke up or even stirred......